party has stood for over the years, bill, one of them is low tax rates, and the other one is strong defense. so who has the most to lose if the fiscal cliff is breached? i think the answer is self evident. i'm not saying it's a good outcome but the polling all shows that the public would blame the republicans for the outcome, so they end up not stopping an outcome which is most negative for them, and they get the blame for it. >> bill: wonder why that is. wonder why that is. why do you think -- look. it's fairly aapparent that barack obama has put no meaningful cuts, spending cuts on the table. anybody who pays attention knows that. the president does not want a cut. he wants the big government. he wants to spend. in fact, he wants 500 million more to throw into some stimulus that hasn't worked the first two times he tried it. why do the american people say it's the g.o.p.'s fault when the president obviously isn't giving anything at all up? >> well, bill you know that and i know that in part because we watch fox news, and fox news reports it that way which is the straight forward way to re